Agenda and minutes

Healthier Communities Overview & Scrutiny Committee
Thursday, 31st January, 2019 10.00 am

Venue: Council Chamber, Civic Centre, Hanbury Road, Pontypool, NP4 6YB

Contact: Jacquelyn Tranter  Senior Business Support Officer - Democratic Services

No. Item


Welcome & apologies / Croeso ac y mddiheuriadau


1.1       In the absence of Councillor Jason O’Connell, the Committee agreed that Councillor Rose Seabourne should chair the meeting.


1.2       Apologies were received from Councillors Leonard Constance, Joanne Gauden, Mike Jeremiah, Sue Malson and Jason O’Connell.


Declarations of interest \ Datganiadau o fudd


2.1       Councillor Emma Rapier declared a personal interest in agenda item 5 as her mother is a support worker for ISS Healthcare (an independent care provider within Torfaen).


2.2       The CLO left the meeting.


Minutes 22/11/18 / Cofnodion 22/11/18 pdf icon PDF 392 KB


3.1       The CSO confirmed that Councillor Joanne Gauden’s apologies had not been included within the minutes for the meeting held on 22nd November 2018.


3.2       Subject to the amendment above, the minutes of the meeting held on 22nd November 2018 were confirmed as an accurate record.


3.3       Regarding the recommendations from the previous meeting, the HoAS confirmed that the Home First team was waiting to fully appoint to the team, and following that they would be in a position to develop leaflets and organise the distribution of the leaflets.


Action sheet / Taflen weithredu pdf icon PDF 101 KB


4.1       The Committee noted the action sheet.


4.2       Councillor Fay Jones entered the meeting.


Supporting Vulnerable People – Domiciliary Care Strategy / Cefnogi Pobl sy'n Agored i Niwed - Strategaeth Gofal Cartref pdf icon PDF 285 KB

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5.1       The Chair welcomed the HoAS to the meeting.


5.2       Following Members’ questions and comments, the HoAS made the following main points:

  • The role of a carer was not usually seen as an attractive career, and it was therefore difficult to recruit and retain. This was a national issue, and stemmed from the relatively low pay and fairly unattractive terms and conditions for what the role involved. Carers were typically paid the minimum wage and could work at any hour of the day and night.
  • A national group was working with Social Care Wales to look at developing a career pathway and vocation for carers. Local work around this was being conducted with Coleg Gwent and the HoAS agreed to circulate the most recent report (June 2018) around this work with the Committee.
  • In addition to the above work with Coleg Gwent, social media could be used in order to promote the role of carers as a rewarding job. She stated that the Domiciliary Task and Finish Group were looking at career pathways across health and social care, and money was available from Social Care Wales for the Domiciliary Care Regional Transformation Group. She agreed that conversations could take place with the new sixth form college in Cwmbran, as they had with Coleg Gwent (mentioned above).
  • The setting up of a Domiciliary Care Academy was being considered in order to provide one point of training within Gwent.
  • Welsh Government was conducting a piece of work around carers on zero hour contracts being offered the option of fixed-term contracts once they had been in the role for three months. Also, Unison had conducted work around the Ethical Care Charter, which the Local Authority (LA) had agreed to consider its principles and implications.
  • A national group, along with Care Forum Wales and United Kingdom Homecare Association (UKHCA) were feeding back to central government in terms of issues around the hourly rate of pay for carers. The situation around the hourly rate of pay was very challenging, due to budget pressures, and also formed part of the work outlined above regarding the Ethical Care Charter.
  • Call clipping was an issue for carers, as they were being asked to do more and more in a shorter period of time, they were not always allocated enough travel time and in some cases they had bought their own uniform. She added that work was being done with providers around the issues above.
  • The piece of work contained within the report was sparked by the fact that the LA does not have the resources to match the demand for services. She added that Adult Services commissioned or directly delivered 313,000 hours of community based domiciliary care every year to Torfaen residents.
  • Option 3 within the report focussed on enablement, in order to contain the increased demand for services.
  • Currently, 90% of care was provided by external agencies who bid on each individual case via the LA’s brokerage team. However, the LA wanted to conduct a piece of  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.


Item for next meeting / Eitem ar gyfer y cyfarfod nesaf


6.1       In the absence of the Chair, the CSO confirmed that she would discuss the item for the next meeting with the Chair and Chief Officer in due course, and would send the pro forma to the Committee once it was available.


6.2       The Committee thanked Councillor Seabourne for chairing the meeting, and Cllr Seabourne thanked the Committee for their contributions.


Date of next meeting 14/3/19 / Dyddiad y cyfarfod nesaf 14/3/19


7.1       The date of the next meeting was noted.


7.2       The meeting ended at 11.30am.